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24 Nov, 2008

iBegin Places and Informal Space

Posted by: Ahmed Farooq In: iBegin Labs

While we released iBegin Places a while ago, our focus was on the primary backend for iBegin, and our attention on it fell to the wayside.

I was recently at a little meetup of NYC hyperlocal/LBS operators, and a discussion got underway on the underlying data powering their own business. And, while I agree that there are issues, I think the bigger issue is the problem with relevancy between that data and real world applications. Our lives are based on informal and relative space - “go down two blocks,” “it’s across the park,” “you will find the best bars in X neighborhood,” “it’s very close to the 6 station.” And yet, while companies like Urban Mapping and Maponics push the core envelope (kudos on UMI’s transit information), it boggles my mind that a more open approach has not been taken. Heck, we are mapping the entire world using OS, all while the minutiae of our daily lives is ignored.

Not one to watch from the sidelines, we’ve started to push for a better understanding of what space means what to everyone. And not just for creation, but also for usage - all places (and subsequent ‘collections’ of ‘places’) are easily exportable via GeoRSS, Google Maps JS, JSON, and/or KML. We’ve already collected all the New York MTA subway points (it is the location of the point that is important, not the actual underground pathway), and 45 neighborhoods in Manhattan. We’ve also started on the Toronto neighbourhoods. All fully downloadable and free to use however you want.

5 Responses to "iBegin Places and Informal Space"

1 | Manhattan Neighborhoods - Tech Soapbox

November 24th, 2008 at 1:18 pm

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2 | ian

November 24th, 2008 at 2:13 pm

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i don’t think having an additional source of this data is required–sure, i make money by licensing data that revolves around informal space (and transit, and soon others), but adoption and relevance is the key issue–getting carriers, product managers, etc. on board is what is needed.

if you’re hell bent on recreating what’s already been developed, more power to you, to, but in the minds of carriers, product managers i don’t think an additional place to obtain this data accomplishes much–we have 300+ neighborhoods in NYC, and around 2000 individual entrance points to NYC subways. what you’re offering is great for getting a taste (and maybe that’s your plan), but somebody has to collect/maintain this data. there’s a valuable role for OSM and others, but there’s no way in hell they will be able to capture all the attributes that make the NVT data pricey.

zillow offers free neighborhood boundary data, so if open is what is needed, i would think people would flock to that.

but you know all this ;)

3 | Ahmed Farooq

November 24th, 2008 at 2:23 pm

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Ian - I both agree and disagree with you.

The problem, to me, is that the quality of the free data is suspect. We’ve already imported all of Zillow’s data - http://places.ibegin.com/zillow/ If you then search for Manhattan - http://places.ibegin.com/zillow/search/?q=manhattan - you end up with 14 results. So we’ve gone (free-wise) from 14 to 45. If people want even more data, then they can go to UMI and get their 300+ neighborhoods.

A further problem with Zillow’s data is that it’s hard to use. A shapefile, while a proper format, is much harder to deal with than a KML file etc.

Anyway - dammit - the point is not neighborhoods, or subway info, or anything specific. The point is for a tool to help people define space as they see it. Eg this: http://places.ibegin.com/view/24/ It is a tiny park near where I live, and its notable for the two homosexual couple sculptures there. But it is so ‘insignificant’ on the grand scale that Tele-Atlas (or whoever else Google is using) doesn’t even show it as a park on the map. THAT is what we want to do - formalize, normalize, and re-distribute such informal space.

4 | Yipit Blog » Blog Archive » iBegin Places: Enhanced Local Context

November 25th, 2008 at 2:28 pm

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5 | Steven Romalewski

November 26th, 2008 at 1:10 pm

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Ahmed,

I’m very intrigued by your project. I’ve been thinking of a similar endeavor, though my concept has been more focused on neighborhoods per se and the ways that different people/communities visualize their boundaries. It’d be great to talk further offline.

Btw, one of our projects — the Open Accessible Space Information System (OASIS) at http://www.oasisnyc.net — was an initial effort in displaying and sharing on maps “hyperlocal” areas of interest. Actually, we display Christopher Park along with a link to the city’s Parks Dept map that shows the two sculptures. You can see the link on our del.icio.us page: http://delicious.com/OASISnyc OASIS uses now old technology, but we’re upgrading to make it more interactive in a web 2.0 context.

Steve

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